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Anthropic 发布 Scion 被指数据模型直接照搬 Meta Sapling 的 Mononoke

Anthropic's Scion is heavily inspired by Mononoke

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Anthropic 发布 Scion 后,Hacker News 用户 sunshowers 指出其数据模型和术语直接照搬了 Meta Sapling 的服务端组件 Mononoke,远超官方宣称的"借鉴前人经验"。Anthropic 公告仅提及 Google Piper 和 Meta Sapling,未点名 Mononoke。评论区多数人认为这构成抄袭,责任在操作者。

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Anthropic's Scion is heavily inspired by Mononoke (sunshowers.io)
77 points by sunshowers 42 minutes ago | hide | past | favorite | 11 comments

From the Anthropic announcement:

“Source control for huge monorepos has prior art, notably Google’s Piper and Meta’s Sapling, so we were able to build Scion with their hard-won lessons in mind.”

Mononoke is a component of Sapling, as I understand it. In fact, the repo link provided in this article links to a subdirectory of the Sapling repo. I’m not totally sure I understand the complaint.


The level of inspiration goes well beyond "hard-won lessons". Something like Lore (slop design document aside) can claim that level of inspiration. Here the data model is a direct copy, down to the terminology.


Agents tend to act differently than humans here. I would have expected most humans to notice and acknowledge the connection. Passing it off as one's own insight definitely feels like plagiarism. Agents are generally not equipped to deal with this type of thing, since looking for prior art is a detour from their goal or an exercise in post-hoc rationalization of knowledge built into the weights.

Whether is plagiarism or hacking, the buck has to stop with the operators. It's not a good look.


Is this what is expected of how to cite sources? Because if this is the expectation nobody does it.

There are two cases and only one is an issue for citations: - Mononoke was directly consulted and not attributed - Concepts were reinvented or used as a derivative (Sapling cited Mononoke and implements something similar)

For one I know Sapling, Git, and Jujutsu, but up to today I have never heard of Oxide or Mononoke and I am not exactly compelled to look up the research papers of any of them, at most I read through their high level documentation.


To be clear, Mononoke is the server-side part of the Sapling system as deployed at Meta. Scion appears to be very closely inspired by Mononoke.


Oh wow. Being pretty new to meta and seeing the anthropic announcement I was thinking to myself “wow that sounds a lot like sapling”.

I guess that is the case.


Damn. It’s hard not to see it as plagiarism. I can only imagine the surprised Pikachu face you must have made reading that announcement from Anthropic.

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